I have 2 4 mo old grade border collie pups 2 males named Bill and Ted and a 2 year old grade bc male named Chunky. Younger dogs have a tiny bit of shag Chunky has a tiny bit of catahoula. Pups have a bunch of siblings that are on working ranches and are starting training and are also making good family dogs. Chunky is not working the way i like my dogs to work but I have limited time, he'd be a good family dogs or if ya want to try him out on cows maybe he'll work for you. He has a lot of drive and wants very little finesse. Does pretty good with my kids.