I have 3 4 mo old grade border collie pups 1 female 2 males and a 2 year old grade bc male. Younger dogs have a tiny bit of shag older dog has a tiny bit of catahoula. Pups have a bunch of siblings that are on working ranches and are starting training and are also making good family dogs. Older dog is not working the way i like my dogs to work but I have limited time, he'd be a good family dogs or if ya want to try hum out on cows mayb he'll work for you. he has a lot of drive and wants very little finesse. does pretty good with my kid.